Popular Post Снорри Posted October 23, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2017 Latvian Nakotne made its kits of Su-27 family aircraft in the beginning of the 1990s and now they are universally considered as awfully inaccurate. Regardless of that some of them still produced by Russian Zvezda, gradually being replaced by newer kits of the same aircraft. Last year with the advent of new Su-33 Zvezda finally retired its old (but not the oldest) ex-Nakotne Su-33 never considered by serious modellers as something worth of money and efforts to build; last week this semi-completed kit was donated to me for rebuild - or, if take a look from the other point, to help build similar Nakotne's Su-30. Well, this kit, inaccurate it is, still looks like Su, not MiG or F-16 and one of my acquaintances asked me for display model of any modern Sukhoi fighter, and I think this would pass. As Su-30 lacked the canopy and Su-33 is single seater and even with these wing-like bits not Su-33 at all, mating of them could produce only something able to pass for Su-27. So let it be Su-27. I still not sure about decals, as kit is not worth spending good ones on it and of bad kind I have only those for Su-33. Well, I'll deal with this later, but first would be complete disembowelment, rescribing and stripping off paint. Or, more likely, sanding it off, as I found convenient to use existing paint layer in scribing and search-n-destroy operations against sink marks (of which lots are present). I'll periodically post updates on this project intended to be finished before New Year (2018, not some New Year). Right now Im blue - yes, I'm a bit depressed and fighting with it in a Pictish warrior's style, covered with blue paint, results of kit's surfaces sanding. May be that "Mole" liquid is not the worse solution, but I can't help remembering where I put it... Ok, work is going on, and now is time to explain why all this is written (and will be written) in English. As you probably know, GreenMats now has three official languages - Ukrainian, Russian and, yes, English. People have been posting there only in the first two and this should be corrected. So, why not use English (or whatever I dare to call that), get some practice not only in modelling but also in English writing and try to kill all the birds with one fighter aircraft? Any comments and encouragements are highly welcome, be they in any of forum's official languages - I understand (or not understand, as some people may say) all three. But I'll write there in English and hope it is slightly better than Nakotne's kit Олексій Єременко, Occidental, MARADER and 2 others 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARADER Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Очень интереснаЯ статья, я рискну написать на русском (немного знаю его, чуть луче чем английский). когда то , примерно в 95м году мне досталась эта модель - не К (су-33 в то время еще не было). Мне он тогда понравился больше Итала но меньше Фикса. Сразу возникло желание переделать в корабельный , - благо, у Латвийца более правилно бал сделана спина и "хвост". Но комплект мне попался поведенный - по дуге по осевой линии - стрелка изгиба около 2 мм. Хотел было его резать , исправлять, но как то переключился на амерниканцев, а потом поменял кому то. Вот сейчас думаю Итал допилить до 27К. А вообще то в 18 году хотелось бы увидить завершение эпопеи с Нововским Атакером hellcat79 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Снорри Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 I bought MAVI's Su-27K and have relaxed until Hasegawa's kit appeared. Now I have MAVI, Italeri, Hasegawa and new Zvezda and still not sure what I want from all this - Su-33 or J-15. Also I have very strong doubts on accuracy of all those kits, so work promised be terrific anyway. I was considering Attacker for the Wings of Misty Albion GB, but it's too many work ahead and now I need something simple and straightforward. So Attacker still in storage waiting for its time and - who knows? - may be that time will come in 2018. pentagonschik and Олексій Єременко 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbot Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Очень интересная тема. Сам до сих пор не выкину набор Су-35 от этого производителя с целью глубокого перепила в нечто совершенно неземное. Посмотрим, что из всего выйдет. А пока понаблюдаю за этой темой. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARADER Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 10 годин тому, Снорри сказано: Also I have very strong doubts on accuracy of all those kits Лично я сильно охладел к копийности 27К - главное что бы был похож сбоку и покрашен относительно аутентично. Occidental and hellcat79 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Снорри Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 Now we have fairly accurate and not expensive new Zvezda, so at least your troubles are over if only you get rid of Italeri's kit For perfectionists only solution for now is kitbashing of Hasegawa and Zvezda with major surgery to get fuselage cross-sections right. Or diminishing of requirements for accuracy. Right now I'm making a decision what parts of Su-33 kit should be reused. On one hand, I'd like to use as many parts as possible, on another, I dont want to spent too much time repairing/prepairing them. Anyway, main tool dealing with this kit is sanding stick and paper. And scriber, of course. Олексій Єременко 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genry Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Снорри бвана в своём репертуаре. Аффтар, пышы исчо, мож, чему и научишь, кроме как из говна котлету выпилить Occidental 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Sabik- Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Сноррі. Посилаю тобі промінці любові! Блін, мастєр )))) foxbot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARADER Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 20 годин тому, Снорри сказано: Or diminishing of requirements for accuracy. - З цим я цілком згідний, 100%во правильних моделей не існує, а як що така і знайдеться - вступить в силу "правило кривих рук" foxbot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Снорри Posted October 24, 2017 Author Share Posted October 24, 2017 Ok, what we have for today? First - two photos of Su-33 before breaking up. Not the worse case, but paint job have some "peculiarities". Second - what is done for today. Upper part of fuselage have been stripped of paint, mostly by sanding, but in the area of gun "gills" by rubbing with cloth damped in isopropanol. All panel lines have been rescribed, the same is going to happen with the lower part. I've decided to use fuselage, tails, stabilizers, intakes and, of course, canopy of the Su-33, but still not sure what to do with the nose cone. It has thick and uneven coat of white paint, the best solution would be to throw it in the "Mole", but first I have to find the burrow it is hiding and second, to find out if its teeth could do anything with Zvezda Super. If not, Su-30 will come to help. And thanks for commenting, its great to see some friendly persons here! Олексій Єременко and foxbot 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Occidental Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 omfg.. Bwana, what a monkey business? You have time for this fapping? Maybe yet u get Su-35 from me and you'll build this kit like Su-33 airframe? Plus, I have lot a spare parts, canopy, legs etc. MARADER 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genry Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Шота консоли крыла у него перехорджены (хорда больше, чем надо), не находите, други? hellcat79 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellcat79 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Так у этой модели вся геометрия неверная. ПГО можно переделать - благо они в наборе даются большими по размеру чем должны быть, с обтекателем тормозного парашюта вобще проблема - полностью переделывать. Для себя решил - хочешь модель Су-33 (он-же Су-27К) - бери относительно свежую "Хасегаву" (пусть даже с хентаями в раскраске). Кстати Ростовский "бегемот" неплохие декали на данный аппарат делал (могу поделиться если сильно надо). palanbor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palanbor Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 3 часа назад, hellcat79 сказал: Для себя решил - хочешь модель Су-33 (он-же Су-27К) - бери относительно свежую "Хасегаву" (пусть даже с хентаями в раскраске). А новая Звезда чем плоха (за исключением моральных аспектов) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellcat79 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 морально-политические не рассматриваю принципиально. Но тащусь от Хаси (личное мнение) хотя и она неидеальна. Имел опыт начать италовскую... но оценив объем переделок - улетела "сушка" в незвершеный долгострой. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palanbor Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 мораль и тащиться - дела личные. А вот почему хася, а не Звезда - по прежнему непонятно. Пресса писала вроде, что новый кит самый верный по геометрии. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Occidental Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Бвана делает из "Су-33" Су-27? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stelmakh_d Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 43 хвилин тому, palanbor сказано: мораль и тащиться - дела личные. А вот почему хася, а не Звезда - по прежнему непонятно. Пресса писала вроде, что новый кит самый верный по геометрии. Андрей, у меня тоже хася. Звезду даже не рассматривал. Правда, её на момент приобретения хаси не было... Честно говоря, мне не нравиться пластик у звезды. Крой очень уж мелкий, местами теряется. Еще и шершавый какой-то... То же самое и с Як-130. В некоторых местах крой пропадает. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fokkerd21 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Снорри, good luck! P. S. Хочя я і недоганяю, навіщо вовтузитися зі старючим і кривим Накотне. Проте все одно буду спостерігати. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Снорри Posted October 25, 2017 Author Share Posted October 25, 2017 On 10/24/2017 at 2:12 PM, Novo said: Это ты не слышал как он говорит, даже индусы на фоне этого кажутся англичанами. Its such a pity we have so little chance to listen to your perfect Oxbridge pronunciation. I.e. no chance at all 17 hours ago, Novo said: Maybe yet u get Su-35 from me and you'll build this kit like Su-33 airframe? Plus, I have lot a spare parts, canopy, legs etc Oh. that was that chance 5 hours ago, Novo said: Бвана делает из "Су-33" Су-27? Oh yes, he've got it! Seems, my caveman English is understandable in the end [of the day] Making of the Su-27 is the first reason why I dont want to add your Nakotne to my two. Second is that kit is very crude, lot of sanding (including 150 paper (or it is fabric already, judging by the base), and assembling of used or new one makes no difference. 11 hours ago, Genry said: Шота консоли крыла у него перехорджены (хорда больше, чем надо), не находите, други? No, wing chord of Nakotne's kit is several millimetres SHORTER, than of Su-33 kits. Of Su-27s I cant say much, but I cant rid of the feeling that wings are too narrow. May be I watched too many carrier planes 6 hours ago, palanbor said: А новая Звезда чем плоха (за исключением моральных аспектов) ? Zvezda's canopy is no match for Hasegawa's. Some cross sections of Zvezda's kit fuselage are wrong (but although Hasegawa got them right, it made wrong those good in Zvezda's). Japanese kit done better, with fine surface details, so if somebody wants Su-33 out of the box the Hasegawa is preferred choice. 5 hours ago, Fokkerd21 said: P. S. Хочя я і недоганяю, навіщо вовтузитися зі старючим і кривим Накотне. I just feel no mercy on it. It have to be done and it will be done! A-a-a-argh!! Today I was dealing with wing and intakes, and nose cone with interior parts are still soaking in the "Mole". It works, but slowly. Really, no idea what to do with the cockpit and instrument panel, and sight, and seat. Something have to be made with them but I dont feel like it. Any suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Occidental Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Bwana, don't ask me about my perfect English, just go trip to SE Asia or other countrys together with us and u get excellent experience from me. After this you'll speaking like normal human, without any rush in your speech. Any pics of process? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Снорри Posted October 25, 2017 Author Share Posted October 25, 2017 9 hours ago, hellcat79 said: Кстати Ростовский "бегемот" неплохие декали на данный аппарат делал (могу поделиться если сильно надо). Thanks, but I have Behemoth's and Zvezda decals for Su-33 and all of them have same problem. Colour shift. Most decal producers refuse to get the simple fact that Russian side numbers with thin white outline are almost impossible to print as a single element. Slightest colour shift is clearly visible on those, and I plan to use them on this kit if somethin better could not be found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Снорри Posted October 25, 2017 Author Share Posted October 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, Novo said: Any pics of process? There is nothing remarkable to show yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellcat79 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 В 23.10.2017 at 22:31, MARADER сказал: Вот сейчас думаю Итал допилить до 27К. Володя, Приветище! Мсье знает толк в извращениях? Складывается впечатление что итал долго не парился даже с тем набором который "корабельный". Взяли "сухопутную" сушку и добавили переразмеренные ПГО и добавили плюс колесо на носовую стойку. И вся конверсия. Хотя на просторах интернета видел подобные конверсии - результат неплох, но пере-, доработок требует изрядных. Например Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tali Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Вообще-то ТС начал именно строить. А все остальные тут же развели флуд и оффтоп на языковую тему. Настоятельно рекомендую с этим завязывать. Не понимаете что написано, но интересно - попросите, вам переведут. buratino, palanbor, -Sabik- and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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